Comments on: The Company as a Wirearchy … in 2013 ? http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html Apps, Strategies, and Best Practices for Web-based work Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:56:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Jon Husband http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-15114 Jon Husband Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:22:13 +0000 http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html#comment-15114 Me too ;-) Just thinking it through while doing laps in the pool today. Me too ;-) Just thinking it through while doing laps in the pool today.

]]> By: Bertrand Duperrin http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-15097 Bertrand Duperrin Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:23:47 +0000 http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html#comment-15097 I have some ideas about crisis which inspires me future posts... not only about the organizational structure in itself but what's behind (cult of predictability, etc...). But most of all, about what's needed to get out of the crisis. More to come ;-) I have some ideas about crisis which inspires me future posts… not only about the organizational structure in itself but what’s behind (cult of predictability, etc…). But most of all, about what’s needed to get out of the crisis. More to come ;-)

]]> By: Jon Husband http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-15067 Jon Husband Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:57:12 +0000 http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html#comment-15067 Very good points, Bertrand, with which I agree. I too found the report focused on tools, whereas as you state it is miore about the way (s) people do business with each other. We've been watching the evolution of this for quite some time, actually, with the rise of co-opetition, various kinds of partnerships at different points along the value chain, EDI, several faltering attempts in the late 90's at what we call collaboration, the rise of teams and teamwork throughout the 90's and 00's, and so on. I find it astonishing by now, and very interesting to watch, in terms of the stubbornness of wanting to hold on to the old structural assumptions and principles. Interestingly, re: wirearchy I have had quite a number of people email to suggest that recent events (such as the financial crisis, the use of the Internet in the US political campaigns and the way(s) it continues to transform the processes of the news business) seem likely to speed up the transition That I think we both believe is underway. Very good points, Bertrand, with which I agree.

I too found the report focused on tools, whereas as you state it is miore about the way (s) people do business with each other.

We’ve been watching the evolution of this for quite some time, actually, with the rise of co-opetition, various kinds of partnerships at different points along the value chain, EDI, several faltering attempts in the late 90’s at what we call collaboration, the rise of teams and teamwork throughout the 90’s and 00’s, and so on.

I find it astonishing by now, and very interesting to watch, in terms of the stubbornness of wanting to hold on to the old structural assumptions and principles.

Interestingly, re: wirearchy I have had quite a number of people email to suggest that recent events (such as the financial crisis, the use of the Internet in the US political campaigns and the way(s) it continues to transform the processes of the news business) seem likely to speed up the transition That I think we both believe is underway.

]]> By: Bertrand Duperrin http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html/comment-page-1#comment-15005 Bertrand Duperrin Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:48:09 +0000 http://www.theappgap.com/the-company-as-a-wirearchy-in-2013.html#comment-15005 Hi Jon, When I read the report I found it very interesting but maybe too much tool-centric. Of course I agree with the conclusions but it's too much like bringing web 2.0 and personal behaviors within the company and we know that making web 2.0 tools available at work isn't enough to make the used and that people voluntarily behave differently once they're at the office. Saying that I mean that if the organization itself doesn't change, companies in 2013 have many chances to be the same as now. People won't develop online practices which are different that the ones they have in real life (or in real office...) and obviously these practices doesn't make sense in the common top-down siloed organization. So the company 2013 have to be, first, characterized by the way people do business and, as a consequence only, by the tools that make these practices possible for scattered teams and serve as a catalyst. So the Digitial Company 2013 will only be the consequence of the company 2013 (mistinking means for goals is never a good thing). It will be close to what you call wirearchy or what I call a system oriented organization (http://www.duperrin.com/english/2008/06/20/what-if-the-future-of-organizations-was-soo-or-spo/) which are a mixing of top-down and adhoc organization. A company is first about business and people. Thean about the way people do business. Then only about the tool they use according to the way they do business. The opposite reasonning often leads to business failure. Hi Jon,

When I read the report I found it very interesting but maybe too much tool-centric. Of course I agree with the conclusions but it’s too much like bringing web 2.0 and personal behaviors within the company and we know that making web 2.0 tools available at work isn’t enough to make the used and that people voluntarily behave differently once they’re at the office.

Saying that I mean that if the organization itself doesn’t change, companies in 2013 have many chances to be the same as now. People won’t develop online practices which are different that the ones they have in real life (or in real office…) and obviously these practices doesn’t make sense in the common top-down siloed organization. So the company 2013 have to be, first, characterized by the way people do business and, as a consequence only, by the tools that make these practices possible for scattered teams and serve as a catalyst.

So the Digitial Company 2013 will only be the consequence of the company 2013 (mistinking means for goals is never a good thing). It will be close to what you call wirearchy or what I call a system oriented organization (http://www.duperrin.com/english/2008/06/20/what-if-the-future-of-organizations-was-soo-or-spo/) which are a mixing of top-down and adhoc organization.

A company is first about business and people. Thean about the way people do business. Then only about the tool they use according to the way they do business. The opposite reasonning often leads to business failure.

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