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	<title>Comments on: Can Twitter really be 3 years old?  Does it signal a new economic model?</title>
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		<title>By: Jenny Ambrozek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny Ambrozek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Victoria, Shiv &amp; 8string, Great  minds and comments all.

 Extracting Victoria&#039;s:
 &quot;networks that matters&quot;

Shiv&#039;s
 &quot;the factor of it being yet another interface to deal with&quot; 

and Al&#039;s
 &quot;social web simply enhances the normal interaction between people that all of us have had forever, lately with SMS and Facebook, etc&quot; 

it seems you&#039;ve covered the landscape and Twitter prospects.

And I hope others will address the bigger question about global use of Twitter to which 
Alexa.com provides some clues: http://snurl.com/e4tlm. 

Twitter&#039;s Alexa Ranking has grown from &lt;4k  October 08  to 289 today. 

User distribution by country is United States 47.4%; Germany 9.9%; United Kingdom 7.1%; India 6.0%; China 3.1%.

It will be interesting to see how global usage patterns change along with how long Twitter survives as an independent company serving the consumer space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Victoria, Shiv &amp; 8string, Great  minds and comments all.</p>
<p> Extracting Victoria&#8217;s:<br />
 &#8220;networks that matters&#8221;</p>
<p>Shiv&#8217;s<br />
 &#8220;the factor of it being yet another interface to deal with&#8221; </p>
<p>and Al&#8217;s<br />
 &#8220;social web simply enhances the normal interaction between people that all of us have had forever, lately with SMS and Facebook, etc&#8221; </p>
<p>it seems you&#8217;ve covered the landscape and Twitter prospects.</p>
<p>And I hope others will address the bigger question about global use of Twitter to which<br />
Alexa.com provides some clues: <a href="http://snurl.com/e4tlm" rel="nofollow">http://snurl.com/e4tlm</a>. </p>
<p>Twitter&#8217;s Alexa Ranking has grown from &lt;4k  October 08  to 289 today. </p>
<p>User distribution by country is United States 47.4%; Germany 9.9%; United Kingdom 7.1%; India 6.0%; China 3.1%.</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see how global usage patterns change along with how long Twitter survives as an independent company serving the consumer space.</p>
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		<title>By: 8string</title>
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		<dc:creator>8string</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that Twitter is moving anything away from &quot;self gain&quot;. The social web simply enhances the normal interaction between people that all of us have had forever, lately with SMS and Facebook, etc.  My guess is that Twitter is too isolated a service and will eventually be integrated into other tools, probably sold off to a company that can attempt to make money in it, which they apparently aren&#039;t doing yet.  The hype machine is very strong,and in this market, is desperate to make anything look like the next world beater. It took Facebook and MySpace some years to really find a wider niche. In the process they did change to the new audiences they were picking up.  Shiv is very right on with the normal enterprise having far too many tools to make great sense of.  While I use IM a lot at work, it&#039;s more to supplant the phone. I would assume Twitter would serve a similar function. 

My bigger question is this, is Twitter actually being used globally yet? I haven&#039;t kept close tabs on it. Is this service actually taken off in, say China or Spain? Has it made significant headway against the other forms of SMS texting that are far more prevalent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Twitter is moving anything away from &#8220;self gain&#8221;. The social web simply enhances the normal interaction between people that all of us have had forever, lately with SMS and Facebook, etc.  My guess is that Twitter is too isolated a service and will eventually be integrated into other tools, probably sold off to a company that can attempt to make money in it, which they apparently aren&#8217;t doing yet.  The hype machine is very strong,and in this market, is desperate to make anything look like the next world beater. It took Facebook and MySpace some years to really find a wider niche. In the process they did change to the new audiences they were picking up.  Shiv is very right on with the normal enterprise having far too many tools to make great sense of.  While I use IM a lot at work, it&#8217;s more to supplant the phone. I would assume Twitter would serve a similar function. </p>
<p>My bigger question is this, is Twitter actually being used globally yet? I haven&#8217;t kept close tabs on it. Is this service actually taken off in, say China or Spain? Has it made significant headway against the other forms of SMS texting that are far more prevalent?</p>
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		<title>By: Shiv Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiv Singh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m finding that when it comes to the enterprise, Twitter and Yammer for that matter compete too directly with the email inbox, the intranet and the sharepoint installations. Conversations without the  calendaring, email lists and more advanced file sharing capabilities don&#039;t really happen. There&#039;s also the factor of it being yet another interface to deal with. Having said that a lot of my clients are interested in integrating twitter like functionality into the home pages of their intranets. This takes the form of automatic recent activity streams, following co-workers and manual status updates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finding that when it comes to the enterprise, Twitter and Yammer for that matter compete too directly with the email inbox, the intranet and the sharepoint installations. Conversations without the  calendaring, email lists and more advanced file sharing capabilities don&#8217;t really happen. There&#8217;s also the factor of it being yet another interface to deal with. Having said that a lot of my clients are interested in integrating twitter like functionality into the home pages of their intranets. This takes the form of automatic recent activity streams, following co-workers and manual status updates.</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria G. Axelrod</title>
		<link>http://www.theappgap.com/can-twitter-really-be-3-years-old-does-it-signal-a-new-economic-model.html/comment-page-1#comment-31425</link>
		<dc:creator>Victoria G. Axelrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To both John and Jenny&#039;s posts regarding reciprocity in Twitter and the equal level of exchanges is  recent research done by HP&#039;s Benardo Huberman and Daniel Romero - Social Networks that Matter: Twitter Under the Microscope. http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/scl/papers/twitter/twitter.pdf

It appears directed messages even though public reveal a close &quot;friend&quot; network  within a larger network.  There is good data in this research revealing a different dynamic in Twitter.  Will be interesting to see further comparative studies with other social tools.

Within the enterprise my guess is a similar Twitter usage pattern  would evolve as well.  I also imagine that within very large enterprises it will be those with rich combinations of tools where Twitter will enable surfing oceans of people/information producing multiple &quot;networks that  matter&quot;.

Victoria G. Axelrod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To both John and Jenny&#8217;s posts regarding reciprocity in Twitter and the equal level of exchanges is  recent research done by HP&#8217;s Benardo Huberman and Daniel Romero &#8211; Social Networks that Matter: Twitter Under the Microscope. <a href="http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/scl/papers/twitter/twitter.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hpl.hp.com/research/scl/papers/twitter/twitter.pdf</a></p>
<p>It appears directed messages even though public reveal a close &#8220;friend&#8221; network  within a larger network.  There is good data in this research revealing a different dynamic in Twitter.  Will be interesting to see further comparative studies with other social tools.</p>
<p>Within the enterprise my guess is a similar Twitter usage pattern  would evolve as well.  I also imagine that within very large enterprises it will be those with rich combinations of tools where Twitter will enable surfing oceans of people/information producing multiple &#8220;networks that  matter&#8221;.</p>
<p>Victoria G. Axelrod</p>
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		<title>By: John Tropea</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Tropea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx for probing deeper Jenny...yourself and Jon Husband really focused on the most important part of my post

I think Twitter enables an environment that demotes hoarding, and where sharing is not based just on personal gain, but moreso reciprocation...a place to both seek and offer (give and take)
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/78657591/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p189-208&quot; title=&quot;shadow of the future&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/76495135/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p133-5&quot; title=&quot;emotional vs economically rational&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

So sharing and awareness or a participation network is different than the way information traditionally flows and also a little different to the way markets operate.

My notes are here about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/69253603/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p18-9&quot; title=&quot;invisible hand&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/73183918/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p51-53&quot; title=&quot;tragedy of the commons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/41954985/connected-people-will-naturally-gravitate-toward&quot; title=&quot;Boyd&#039;s Law sums this up.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;

The next question is that this is true of networks, but why the Twitter network as the poster child for this new economic model over other types of networks.

Well I explained that in my post:

- it is not just about publishing, but conversations (different to blogs, as in Twitter a comment is posted as the same level as a publishing)
- publish and converse in the same stream
- &lt;a href=&quot;http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/04/twitter-3-years-on-and-why-its-the-killer-app/#comment-32823&quot; title=&quot;short fragments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; like in real life
- overhearing conversations and discovering people
- it&#039;s so easy and responsive
(my questions get answered in minutes by lots of people, which is a vote to use it again, and also reciprocate)
- in the palm of your hands (mobile phone)...very low barrier to participate

Since this is so similar to how we behave daily, it becomes easily adopted.

Just think of your daily offline interactions, and compare that to your online interactions in Twitter
- they are very similar (conversations in an open space, bumping into people, etc...)
- obviously Twitter has all the online benefits of documenting, social graph, recommend, organise, etc...

I&#039;d also be interested in hearing what others think.

Let&#039;s wait and see how Twitter-like tools fair in the enterprise like Socialtext Signals, Yammer, Socialcast....

I can see someone in HR or admin using an internal Twitter to ask and receive, and then perhaps publishing-like posts. But I don&#039;t see as many of these people taking to blogging (much more of a commitment, much more about publishing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx for probing deeper Jenny&#8230;yourself and Jon Husband really focused on the most important part of my post</p>
<p>I think Twitter enables an environment that demotes hoarding, and where sharing is not based just on personal gain, but moreso reciprocation&#8230;a place to both seek and offer (give and take)<br />
- <a href="http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/78657591/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p189-208" title="shadow of the future" rel="nofollow"><br />
- </a><a href="http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/76495135/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p133-5" title="emotional vs economically rational" rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>So sharing and awareness or a participation network is different than the way information traditionally flows and also a little different to the way markets operate.</p>
<p>My notes are here about the </a><a href="http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/69253603/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p18-9" title="invisible hand" rel="nofollow"> and </a><a href="http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/73183918/here-comes-everybody-clay-shirky-p51-53" title="tragedy of the commons" rel="nofollow">.</p>
<p></a><a href="http://johntropea.tumblr.com/post/41954985/connected-people-will-naturally-gravitate-toward" title="Boyd's Law sums this up." rel="nofollow"></p>
<p>The next question is that this is true of networks, but why the Twitter network as the poster child for this new economic model over other types of networks.</p>
<p>Well I explained that in my post:</p>
<p>- it is not just about publishing, but conversations (different to blogs, as in Twitter a comment is posted as the same level as a publishing)<br />
- publish and converse in the same stream<br />
- </a><a href="http://libraryclips.blogsome.com/2009/03/04/twitter-3-years-on-and-why-its-the-killer-app/#comment-32823" title="short fragments" rel="nofollow"> like in real life<br />
- overhearing conversations and discovering people<br />
- it&#8217;s so easy and responsive<br />
(my questions get answered in minutes by lots of people, which is a vote to use it again, and also reciprocate)<br />
- in the palm of your hands (mobile phone)&#8230;very low barrier to participate</p>
<p>Since this is so similar to how we behave daily, it becomes easily adopted.</p>
<p>Just think of your daily offline interactions, and compare that to your online interactions in Twitter<br />
- they are very similar (conversations in an open space, bumping into people, etc&#8230;)<br />
- obviously Twitter has all the online benefits of documenting, social graph, recommend, organise, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be interested in hearing what others think.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s wait and see how Twitter-like tools fair in the enterprise like Socialtext Signals, Yammer, Socialcast&#8230;.</p>
<p>I can see someone in HR or admin using an internal Twitter to ask and receive, and then perhaps publishing-like posts. But I don&#8217;t see as many of these people taking to blogging (much more of a commitment, much more about publishing)</a></p>
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